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Council urged to ensure safety on cycle tracks

4:09pm Tuesday 1st July 2008

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By Mike Laycock »

COUNCIL chiefs were urged today to take urgent safety action on two York cycle tracks to ensure another cyclist does not die.

A councillor and a member of the public have both contacted City of York Council to raise their concerns in the wake of the accident on the track near York Racecourse in May, in which teenage cyclist Ruby Milnes was killed in a collision with a lorry.

The authority has taken action to improve safety at that location, trimming back a hedge at the track’s junction with a racecourse access road along which the lorry was being driven.

The council is also seeking planning permission to remove a 15- metre stretch of the hedge to improve visibility.

Ruby’s parents welcomed the move last week, but said: “Our terrible tragedy is that our daughter had to be killed before any safety measures were put in place.”

Now Green councillor Andy D’Agorne has claimed there are two other locations on that track where overgrown hedges and a lack of warning signs mean there could be “another accident waiting to happen.”

He said that at the point where the track emerges on to Bishopthorpe Road near the Terry’s site, where many cyclists cross to continue down towards the Millennium Bridge, they emerged concealed by a hawthorn hedge bordering Knavesmire.

“Often traffic can be travelling at nearly 40mph,” he said. “Visibility is very poor towards Bishopthorpe.”

He also had concerns about a high privet hedge further along the cycle track, behind the York College of Law. He said he had reported both locations to the council, but no significant action had been taken as yet.

Meanwhile, reader Roy Murphy has also contacted The Press to say he had reported his safety concerns about a cycle track at Monks Cross, but no action had as yet been taken.

He said he had noticed on arriving at the Monks Cross Park&Ride that motorists turning into the car park had to cross a cycle path, with no signs present to tell either cars or cyclists that they should stop or give way.

“At the moment, should an accident happen, who is at fault? The cyclist or the motor traffic?” he asked. “This situation should never present itself if planners did their job properly. I am very concerned about road safety, and would have thought that this would be dealt with very soon.”

A council spokesman said: “The council always takes the issue of public safety very seriously, particularly where concerns have been brought to our attention by members of the public.

“The particular concerns identified regarding cycleways in the Knavesmire area are being investigated; however these are problematic because ownership of the hedges is in doubt.

“We are seeking to resolve these as soon as possible and will take any necessary action as is appropriate.

“Regarding the Monks Cross Park&Ride cycle way, we have investigated and agree that some priority markings are required. The markings have been ordered from our contractor and we expect them to be placed in July.”

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johns49, York says...
4:52pm Tue 1 Jul 08

There are many dangerous and uneven cycle tracks in York in addition to the ones highlighted here.
For example: The track alongside Shipton Road past Skelton - the surface is very poor and overgrown hedges hang over the path right up to the ring road.
The track marked out alongside North Moor Road in Huntington is uneven because the thick green surface that designates it a cycle track is breaking up. It also runs through so many sunken drain covers I have to ride in the middle of the traffic.
Cycle tracks are fine - but only if they are maintained.

Pedro, York says...
5:05pm Tue 1 Jul 08

I have said the same in many posts. The cycle tracks have to be maintained - there is massive pots holes in the (newish) track by the river. Has been for a while. Why is nothing done about it?


tonezzzznoddedoff, york says...
5:22pm Tue 1 Jul 08

The bloke in picture looks a bit scary too.

Kynnersley, Huntington says...
6:57pm Tue 1 Jul 08

I've been saying for years, CYC put in cycle tracks some poorly designed and poorly built with humps and bumps appearing in them due to lack of foundation, and they never seem to maintain them. York is NOT the cycle friendly city it makes out.

Serious Person, Heworth Without It says...
12:56am Wed 2 Jul 08

One moment! Is this hedge not an historic parish boundary marker? Couldn't it be grubbed out a few yards before the junction rather than being totally obliterated? Or is it just a boring historical landmark?

As for the name Bustardthorpe, could this have anything to do with the Great Bustards that used to

sheddie, York says...
9:28am Wed 2 Jul 08

Another very dangerous one is where the exit from the new York College joins Sim Balk Lane. Exactly like as the tragic location where Ruby died, it's a place where cyclists are on a track which they think should be safe - it follows the main road and should have priority over the emerging traffic. But there's no give way sign for emerging cars AT THE CYCLE LANE, nor any warning that they are about to cross a cycle track. People on bikes may also be travelling at some speed as it's slightly downhill from the Tadcaster road end. And sight-lines are not good either. Tragedy waiting to happen alas.

sheddie, York says...
9:58am Wed 2 Jul 08

And I have just contacted the council to say so via:

http://www.york.gov.
uk/ycc/contact_us

Come on commenters, send your thoughts direct to the council, too.

I also mentioned the James St/Lawrence St/ Regent St junction, which is particularly nasty for cyclists going 'straight on' from James St into Regent St.

ThisIsOli, York CC says...
10:08am Wed 2 Jul 08

As much as I am sorry for the death of the Girl and I do think overgrown hedges should be clipped back I also think its important to point out that a cycle track is not always a godgiven right to not stop for anything.

Cyclists must stop and look when a cycle track crosses the road, they have the most manouverable vehickle and they are the ones in the most danger.

While I am not defending Dangerous driving nor do I thnik every other aspect should be put to blame over a case of dangerous cycling.

Despite the poor quality on some of Yorks Cycle Tracks at least it has them, making them a much safer proposition than road only usage.

sheddie, York says...
11:08am Wed 2 Jul 08

"I also think its important to point out that a cycle track is not always a godgiven right to not stop for anything. "

Why thank you, Captain Obvious. Nobody was suggesting anything of the sort.

We're talking here about making safety improvements to junctions which are unsafe by design. Why do you feel the need to imply that cyclists are all selfish, misbehaving idiots who don't deserve to have their existence recognised by competently designed facilities? Cycling is a perfectly valid and respectable form of transport and people on bikes have just as much right to expect competent and safe road design for their needs as they do when using other forms of transport.

Local roads are all funded by council tax BTW so please none of the old road tax argument rubbish please.

"Despite the poor quality on some of Yorks Cycle Tracks at least it has them, making them a much safer proposition than road only usage."

Not necessarily. In fact research suggest that people on bikes are often safer on the road: see e.g.

http://www.cyclecraf
t.co.uk/digest/resea
rch.html

Good cycle route designs MAY be safer. But the problem is always the junctions, where the vast majority of accidents occur, and having a separate cycle lane outside the flow and sightlines of normal traffic is often more hazardous for all concerned.

Some cycle lanes are good, safe and useful, but sadly it's the exception rather than the rule.

petethefeet, York says...
11:39am Wed 2 Jul 08

Sheddie is right. The problem for bikes is junctions. Take the worse case, i.e. turning right at a roundabout. A car-driver would approach in the right-hand lane and then change lanes on the roundabout before the right-junction. You would have to be suicidal to do this on a bike. But, if you take the recommended action and stay in the left-hand lane, but turn right, then you'll only confuse the hell out of a car-driver turning left and he might quite easily clean you up.

With all this, the problem is car-drivers. In the case above, it demonstrates the general belief that drivers have the right to either overtake, or undertake bikes on a junction. Until this is STOPPED, bikers will always lose their lives. The answer is simple. The road surface at such junctions, and approaching such junctions, should be painted with a coloured hatching, much like yellow boxes, meaning no overtaking or undertaking bikes. This simple step, if enforced, would save dozens of lives every year.

sheddie, York says...
12:03pm Wed 2 Jul 08

"A car-driver would approach in the right-hand lane and then change lanes on the roundabout before the right-junction. You would have to be suicidal to do this on a bike."

PTF, I must disagree with you here. If you're a confident and reasonably fit rider (i.e. can accelerate and brake well, are aware of surrounding traffic and can react quickly and decisively to it) this is the SAFEST way to tackle such roundabouts. You behave exactly like a car (including indicating), and you're then pretty much as safe as you would be in a car. I speak as someone who used to quite enjoy riding through the Hammersmith Gyratory in London every day for a year - with not even a near miss :-). And that's a six-laner...

OTOH if you're not a confident or a fit cyclist, or are hesitant in complex and/or fast traffic, then this may not be appropriate. Big/fast roundabouts are tricky in that case, and it's hard to know what to suggest except try to avoid. As you say, piddling around the outside and crossing each entry/exit lane in turn (from a road location where drivers aren't expecting you) is super-dangerous. Getting off and walking might be an option, but alas facilities for pedestrians often aren't much better. Developing alternative routes may be the best approach.

ThisIsOli, York CC says...
3:17pm Wed 2 Jul 08

I have to admit I always feel sorry for cyclists on roundabouts. I think putting yellow hatching on all junctions, or just the ones were accidents occur would probably be a waste of resources, the drivers who tend to not pay attention for cyclists are most likely going to ignore the markings at any rate.

I did not say that all cyclists are by nature dangerous, I was pointing out that a lot of accidents occur because some cyclists are not careful when it comes to junctions and cycle path crossings.

In the case of Rubys unfortunate accident from what I have seen it was because a lorry was using a road which a cycle path crossed, it seems that she was not careful at this crossing because usually it is closed off apart from on race days.


petethefeet, York says...
11:59pm Wed 2 Jul 08

I have to agree with thisisoli that cyclists have to take the utmost care but it shouldn't be this way. Until we revisit the status of the car, and reorder the laws to prefer pedestrians and cyclists, then things won't change. The very fact that idiots like Usherwood and Larkin still have a license bear testimony to the problems that exist.

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 Coun Andy D'Agorne on Bishopthorpe Road, where the exit is badly obscured by an overgrown hedge Coun Andy D'Agorne on Bishopthorpe Road, where the exit is badly obscured by an overgrown hedge

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